I recently wrote about my process to handle Ancestry Hints in RM 7. Since I am previewing RootsMagic 8, I thought it would help me to write out the process for adding sources from the RootsMagic side.
Since I recently found an obituary on Newspapers.com for a cousin, I thought that I’d try adding that obituary to my RM8 trial database. Since this database was recently created from my RM7 file, it should contain the my source for the Journal and Courier (Lafayette, IN) newspaper.
The obituary is for Mark A. Crudge.
Locate Mark Crudge in file by clicking on the person icon.
- I’m used to clicking on the list and starting to type the name to move to that section of the list. This method does not currently work.
- I could scroll thru my list, but it faster to enter the surname in the search box. As I type, the list narrows down to surnames beginning with the letters I’ve typed.

Since I don’t find Mark Crudge in my list, he will need added. Thus, I click on his father, Marion Jene Crudge and switch to the family view.

I then click on the “+ Add Child” link to open a window to add Mark Crudge as a child of Marion Jene Crudge.
I use the information in the obituary to fill in the birth and death dates for Mark Crudge and then click OK to add him to the family.

I now have Mark Crudge listed as a child of Marion Jene Crudge and a window open to add information about Mark. This is where I need to add the obituary as a source.

Since I can use the obituary as a source for Mark’s death, I click on the death fact. On the right side of the window, there is a section for sources. Since I already have a lot of sources in my file, I would first check to see if the source exists. Thus, I would click on ‘Cite Existing Source’.

That opens up a window for me to select the source. In RM7, I would have clicked on the list and started typing ‘News-IN J’ since that is the pattern I used to name my newspaper sources. Since RM8 works differently, I need to use the search box. So, I start typing the same in the search box and my source is listed.

If unsure, I could use RM8’s super ability to search and type in the name of the paper. (Journal and Courier, in this example) When I do this, I discover that I have two sources — likely the same that I will need to see if I can merge.

Since the first one uses my desired naming pattern, I click on it and then click the NEXT button. That opens the ‘Add Citation’ window.

I enter the information from my source using the tab key to move to the next field — until the remaining fields are not visible on the screen. At that point, I must the the scroll function to get to the end of the screen.

Scrolling down on the citation, I can locate the green > link to add the detail.

This is where I add notes for the citation. This could be as simple as copying the ‘record’ information from Ancestry to transcribing a record or obituary. In this case, I transcribed the obituary.

I can click the < arrow at the top of the window to return to the citation.
In RootsMagic 7, my next step would be to add the image to the citation. Unfortunately, I don’t see a way to add an image to the actual citation from this screen. So, I click on OK to save the citation.
When I click the OK button to close the citation to get back to the edit person screen. This screen has the ability to add an image to the death fact.

However, I would rather have the image attached to the citation. And, I discovered how by chance. Once the citation is created, I can go back to the citation and now the ability to add the image is available.

Clicking on the ‘Add Media’ link I can browse to my file and enter a caption.

Now that I have the obituary citation attached to the death fact, I want to also attach it to his birth fact. Thus, I click on the birth. I now have 3 choices: Add new source, cite existing source and paste citation. Ideally, I would like to ‘paste the citation.’ This means that I need to go back and figure out how to ‘memorize’ the citation. Going back to the death fact and the citation, there is no obvious ‘memorize’ link. However, scrolling over the various icons reveals the icon that looks like two pieces of paper are for memorizing the citation.

After clicking on the ‘memorize citation’ icon, I migrated back to the birth fact to paste the citation. Clicking to paste the citation opens a ‘Paste Memorized Citation’ window.

Unsure of what the difference is between ‘re-use’ and ‘paste’, I posted a question to the Facebook group and thanks to the answer there, I think I have this figured out.
- Select ‘Re-use the memorized citation’ when you want an exact copy. This is what I would use for the obituary when adding the citation to the various events (think birth, death, burial, marriage, residence of survivors)
- Select ‘Paste a copy of the memorized citation’ when I want to to make a small change in the citation. I can see this being helpful when citing various sections of a county history where I would change the page number with each individual citation.
Thus, I selected to ‘re-use’ the citation. When I go to sources and locate the citation, I find that it has been used 3 times.

Clicking on the > to the right of ‘Used 3’, the right column changes to show the times the citation was used.

I have successfully added Mark Crudge to my file and added source citations for his birth and death dates based on his obituary. By writing out the process, I have a better understanding of how this works and also will have notes for future reference.
Hi Marcia,
I haven’t worked as much in RM8 as you have, and have been flustered by the new source citation procedure. I still haven’t been able to make one that I can live with. I hope it is just inexperience with RM8.
Thank you for working through this as you did. It is very helpful. I will try some more.
I am not happy with how RM8 looks, how it navigates, how it searches, etc. Too much clicking in fields IMHO. But what other program can we use that does things better than RM7?
All the best — Randy
Randy, I admit I’ve also been flustered. I think my frustration comes from not understanding the ‘why’ behind the design. The more I work with it, the more I like some of the new features. I’m writing these posts more for myself than for others. I learned a lot about working with the program thru the process of writing out my process.
I still need to figure out citation names. For now, I’m letting the software generate the name. (I believe it builds the citation name from the various citation fields in the order they are entered. These citation fields are the source detail fields in RM7.)
There has been tremendous progress since the preview was first released.
Just for everyone’s understanding: RM7 is still my primary genealogy program. I am ‘playing’ with several different files in RM8 to help find bugs and to learn the software.
Thank you for these comments. Found by accident rather than design and more or less the only feedback I have seen re. RM8 outside of Facebook.
Re. Citation name
Starting with an empty citation the name is built as the RM8 database is updated.
Once built it can be edited.
If you want to copy text from the name then highlight text and use Ctrl+Alt+C rather than the usual Ctrl+C.
If you edit a template then the Citation name does not update. In this case take focus to the Citation name field, do a Ctrl+A and delete. Move focus to the Citations window and Citation name updates.
The use of Alt is a handy keyboard shortcut modifier e.g. pasting into a Details field requires Ctrl+Alt+V rather than Ctrl+V. Similarly you can use Ctrl+Alt+X when cutting.
An Annoyance – a blank detail field when missing some data – then your Citation name will have one or more ; ; In RM7 it was possible to write templates that hid this punctuation around missing data.
Early days for RM8 – David
David, THANK YOU for these tips.
Every time I use RM8, I learn a little bit more about how it works. As stated in my blog post, I’m basically writing out the steps for myself so that I can better understand and remember the various processes.
I had figured out that the citation name was built from the citation. However, I had not tried to edit it. Your tips sound like they should make editing the citation name easier.
I’m still thinking thru the use of the citation name. At first, I thought I would have to come up with a ‘naming’ practice. Adopting such a procedure would not be feasible for all of my existing citations. When I discovered how powerful the search function is, I pretty much gave up on the idea of a ‘naming’ practice. That’s about the time I figured out how the name is generated.
I have submitted a feature request that would re-build or re-generate the citation names when I rearrange the fields for entering the citation. I imagine that would require some major coding to accomplish. Thus, I’m not going to expect it to happen.
Again, thank you for your tips!
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